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Psychics and Depression


Minor update 4-24-10

Not much is written about what it’s like to be an overly sensitive person in this world. There are some that believe that it must be really cool to be psychic. Indeed if you look at a lot of psychic literature, it is generally very positive about using your intuition and connecting to the world. The New Age stuff has a lot of emphasis on the positive as well. Everywhere you look, it’s supposed to be this wonderful magical experience.

I know better. Yes, there is something special about being able to connect with others on a deep level, there is a possibility of real joy and happiness that I think is denied to most people, and there are a wide range of experiences that are very rich and rewarding. These parts of our lives need to be honored and respected, but we must also acknowledge that this is not the whole story.

For anyone who doesn’t understand this I’ll give you a dose of reality. If you are psychic, you can’t help it. It’s not a choice anymore than being gay or being of your ethnicity. You are born with it and all the sensitivity that comes along with it; it is your life and you have to deal with it.  You get the whole package and you don’t get to choose which parts you will keep and which you won’t.

One aspect of this sensitivity is that psychic people tend to become people pleasers.  The natural empathy we are capable of can be focused on putting the needs of others before our own.  We’re less likely to stand up for our own needs because we can so easily understand the needs of others.  This leads to an inability as an adult to know what we want or even what we like.  That is the highway to depression.

Very few psychic children have understanding parents and relatives and do not understand what is different about them or even that there is something different about them at all. To each of us, the world we inhabit looks normal and we don’t understand that other people don’t think the same way. Soon enough though, we begin to comprehend that we don’t quite fit in. I can remember as a child constantly being on the outside looking in. Other kids could laugh and play and get along with each other. I just couldn’t quite manage that.

I did what I think most psychic children do. I began the slow and painful process of trying to fit in; something that never quite works, but which becomes a talent of sorts. I was very good at acting because that was how I was spending most of my time. There is no identity to be had in western culture and certainly no respect or understanding. One should always keep in mind that a great number of people are convinced that psychic abilities do not even exist. Of course this means that people such as myself are viewed as delusional; naturally, I cannot help but feel hurt by this.

A very few psychic people grow up in households that accept psychic ability and they fare much better. They grow up with a strong sense of self; but most of us have to learn it on the fly. We have to learn about our own sensitivity the hard way: by making mistakes and getting hurt. The need to fit in and be accepted is very strong, but is always denied to us; what most people don’t realize is that only normal people want to be different. For those of us who really are different, being normal looks pretty good.

We are profoundly affected in who we are by being psychic, even if we never use the talent, and when we go out into the world we discover that the gift is not taken seriously, is not understood and is not considered to be of much value. In fact, embracing who we are is sure to put us on the fringes of society in a hurry. That’s a choice that can make us miserable: We can only fit in by denying who we are. If we embrace the reality that we really live in, we leave most of the world behind.

Because we are so emotional, and we have these constant conflicts, we struggle with depression. Many psychic people deal with it their entire lives; it makes alcohol attractive. I don’t think that there is a single psychic person who doesn’t go through this at some point, and most of us have gone through depression several times.

Many people think that depression is about feeling bad.  But that is not the case.  Depression is about not feeling; that is to say, the ability to feel is severely depressed.  The emotions are shut down and we feel disconnected.  It becomes an actual neurological condition.  To get out of depression then, means feeling again.  It is something that we’re good at and that comes naturally to us, so that if we’re able to address what’s causing the depression, we’ll generally be able to lift it without resorting to medication.

To even begin to unlock our emotions during depression it’s important to understand the importance of the role our subconscious plays in our lives.  What we feel and think on the surface may be the complete opposite in our subconscious.   For example, while I may be able to talk very convincingly about the reality of psi and have all the facts at my disposal, I may still be unconsciously doubting myself.  That’s normal and if we are going to address depression we have to be aware of this aspect of our psyche.

It’s hard to say exactly what gets us all locked up, and I’m sure that some of the reasons for our depression we share with the rest of the world, but we have some of our own unique issues to deal with.  And the one that is probably the most frightening to us is:

Are we making it all up?

In other words:  Are we crazy?  Are we deluding ourselves?  On the surface we may have convinced ourselves that we’re completely confident, but underneath, we may still be questioning ourselves.  The test for this is to see how we react if someone doubts us.  The strength of our reaction to people who are skeptical of our abilities is an indication of how strongly we hold that fear.  I have personally never met a psychic person who did not react.  Apparently we all doubt ourselves to some extent despite all evidence to the contrary.

I have learned to handle skeptics much better, but I it took an enormous amount of factual data and a sharp memory to get to this point.  To get past this, you have to be able to clearly understand what kind of people they are as well.  (I’ve covered this in the post: There are no good skeptics.).  But a steady diet of these people is going to drag us down and it’s best to avoid them.  To constantly debate and argue with them is nothing more than a reflection of our own insecurity.

We can also suffer from chronic over stimulation.  If we are in a situation where our mind never gets a rest from the emotions of the world around us, it will start to shut down.  An example of  this situation is working in a high pressure job.  It’s not just the pressure that we feel, but also the pressure that those around us feel as well. This is as much a cause of depression as any other.

Another thing that contributes to depression is being a passive aggressive personality, which is very common in highly sensitive people, and therefore psychic people..  This kind of behavior eats away at the gut and deprives us of happiness.  I changed that behavior in myself simply by refusing to be dishonest with people about what I thought, how I felt and I stopped agreeing to do things that I knew I wasn’t going to do.  It was very hard at first and it upset my family quite a bit for awhile, but things did settle down and I’m much happier for it.

To avoid depression we need to own up to the things that cause us stress.  Jobs that require a lot of contact with people, high pressure jobs and being treated poorly in a job affect us more than other people.  If we can’t spend some time alone to concentrate and do our work; if demands are constantly put upon us, we’ll wear down quickly mentally and be susceptible to depression.

I don’t have any empirical proof for this, but I suspect that the mood altering drugs used for depression do not work very well for psychic people. We tend to avoid mind altering drugs anyway since we don’t get the same effects everyone else does.

The key to ending the cycle of depression is positive thinking, but done in a very specific way.  The absolute master of this is Louise L. Hay.  Her book on this subject, “You Can Heal Your Life“  is highly recommended reading.  Absorb her message and this will help a great deal.  She got it right.

In addition, Dr. Maoshing Ni, longevity expert offers these helpful tips:

  1. Hands-On Healing Human touch increases the production of endorphins, growth hormone and DHEA, all of which lengthen your life span and lower the negative impact of stress. Studies have found that patients who are regularly touched recover faster than those who are not touched. Perhaps give someone a foot massage, or give someone a hug and feel both of your moods improve.
  2. A Laughing Matter “Laugh Therapy,” pioneered by Norman Cousins, has turned out to have real substance. Research has discovered that laughter and joy boost immune functions, especially the production of the natural killer cells that help defend the body from illness and cancer. Laughter also increases the release of endorphins — compounds that give you a sense of well-being — in your brain. Without a doubt, joyful people live longer and healthier lives. So read your favorite comics, watch your favorite comedies and laugh it up!
  3. Amino Acid for Restored Mindset When an imbalance or deficiency is creating a bad mood, the Europeans use supplements of a natural compound found in human cells to regulate mood and restore a healthy mindset. SAMe (S-adenosyl-L-methionine) is produced from methionine, an amino acid that plays a role in the production of uplifting neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine. One study indicated that SAMe worked on patients who had unsuccessful results with conventional antidepressants. To get a boost from SAMe, take a supplement combining it with vitamins B6 and B12.
  4. Raise Your “Youth Hormones” You don’t need pills to flood your body with a rejuvenating flood of growth hormones. Research has found that doing squats and leg presses will greatly increase your natural production of the “youth hormone.” Increased growth hormone translates to an elevated mood, among other physical benefits. Keep it up with weight training, knee bends, push-ups and rowing.
  5. Acupuncture Boosts Brain Chemicals Many patients with depression and anxiety have benefited from acupuncture. Studies show that acupuncture increases the production of neurotransmitters endorphins, serotonin and dopamine–the happy, easygoing and calming brain chemicals that are found to be in low levels in depression and other mood disorders. Our team of doctors at Tao of Wellness has successfully helped numerous patients with mood disorders with acupuncture while collaborating with their mental health professionals. Contact Tao of Wellness for more information or go to acupuncture.com to find a doctor of acupuncture near you.

If you are taking antidepressants, you should probably read this article by Mark Hyman, MD.  Why Antidepressants Don’t Work for Depression.

There is really only one door open for us. We must learn to face the world on our own terms. We must accept that there will always be people that think we are batshit crazy and simply avoid them. We must acknowledge our sensitivity and its limitations and work to reduce the things in our lives which cause us the most stress and we must let go of dreams that conflict with our sensitive nature and embrace those things which play to our strengths.

It is very hard and it can take a very long time, but really, we don’t have any better options.

16 Comments on “Psychics and Depression

  1. Ashlie
    February 27, 2009

    wow I am so glad I have found your blog. Very insightful. I am a young psychic. I knew about my abilities for awhile but I am just accepting these recent years.

    • craigweiler
      February 28, 2009

      Thanks, I’m glad it’s helpful to you.

  2. Anita Woodard
    March 10, 2009

    My life changed about 4 weeks ago,I can not explain what happened but I walked in the past in someone Else’s footsteps I’m still carrying this experience with me,please! please! teach me how to shut it off,I’m going crazy.It’s like I had to share this message with one person,I have tried to explain myself to that person but no reply the thing is,I feel like a flake, how can I tell them what I felt and what’s more I do not know these people.Why me?

    • craigweiler
      March 10, 2009

      Hi Anita,
      When people come to me with experiences like this, my goal is to help them feel that they can have these experiences and still feel normal. So here goes.

      First of all, other people have these experiences. You just don’t hear about them for the same reason people haven’t heard about yours. People don’t want to be made to feel like nutcases and whack jobs. I’ve heard quite a few tales like yours over the years and the other people with these experiences get just as upset over them.

      I know that you can’t tell just anyone about it. I was relating an experience to a long time friend many years ago, only to have the guy suggest I get therapy. Oh, thanks a lot.

      It is for experiences like yours that I’ve included all the parapsychology stuff in my blog. You have to know that your experiences are a natural part of the world. There is nothing bizarre about what you went through. It is nothing more than a rare event.

      Regarding shutting it off. It will go away on its own; you don’t have to do anything about it. If this was your first experience like this, your mind is still coming to grips with it. As a fellow psychic person, I suggest rather emphatically that you don’t shut anything off. The price for doing that is rather steep emotionally.

      Why you? Because you’re sensitive,that’s why. If there is some important information you have to impart, write a note with no return address saying what you have to say and mail it to them. Then it’s up to them to deal with it. It’s not your job to save the world.

      Feel free to e-mail me if there is more that you want to share: craig at weiler dot com. (I write it that way to avoid spam e-mail harvesting.)

  3. JJ
    March 18, 2009

    I would just like to share my experiences on this site because it helped to make me feel more at peace by what was being said in the various articles on here. Also, it’s 2:13 in the morning and I don’t want to go to sleep. I hope that what I write here is useful to some.

    It was calming to read about the many characteristics that sensitive people have. Now, I have to say that I feel uncomfortable calling myself sensitive because I am a man. I grew up with the sense that being sensitive was a sign of weakness. Now because I have always had other sensitive people around me -my mom and aunts- I didn’t always notice that I was sensitve. Looking back, however, I now recall that I had trouble in school most of my life. I didn’t get a grip on school until college. But it took me 10 years to finally get my BA.

    I can see that some of the info on these articles may apply to me, but not sure yet. I’ve been wanting to see a therapist first to see if he/she can help me explain some of the things that I have experienced, such as:

    Feeling like I can sense other people’s emotions too much; having a dream where someone I have never met before gives me information about someone else; being awakened by voices calling my name or the doorbell ringing when it is not; feeling overwhelmed by emotions that seem to throw me off balance, being able to sense things about others (like physical ailments).

    I have discussed most of these things with a general doctor, and I discussed with him that my family members told me that they may be supernatural experiences. He said that it sounded like they might be. I was surprised and comforted to hear that. But he prescribed Zoloft to me, which I refused to take. He said I had some kind of anxiety induced depression. I only took one or two pills before I felt that this was not right. Instead I researched the net to see if there was a natural way to fix this. I found that exercise and change of diet would help. I began to exercise more, changed my diet, and I also started reading positive material. I began to feel much better. By the way, when I went back to see the same doctor, he was no longer working there.

    This was the first time I had ever experienced this bizarre state. I began to have many bizarre dreams and disturbing visions during this period. I eventually got myself out of this state. But I’m constantly feeling pulled back into this state of sensitivity which sometimes makes me very angry because I feel it interferes with my ambitious goals. I’m currently working as a private tutor (self employed), music producer, and freelance graphic designer. But I eventually want to finish a book I’m working on. I mention my occupation/hobbies because perhaps some people can relate to the fact that these jobs give a picture that others can relate to. By the way I’m also into painting and photography. But I have not been able to stick to only focusing on one of these interests. I feel like I’m not sure what my calling is, yet, although I keep feeling that I should be healing people some how. But I don’t want to be a doctor.

    One thing that I notice is that being out in nature is very comforting to me. I get a sense of calm and often feel connected to something. It helps me get rid of loneliness.

    My friends have often commented how strange animals behave around me. I love animals, but I don’t like to own them because I don’t want to be taking care of them. I may forget to feed them or something. I can barely remember to water my plants.

    Now one thing that I want to point out is that I’ve been a very outgoing person, but do, at times, have the strong need to be alone for long periods of time -Odd for someone who has been a DJ, promoter, and president of a fraternity.

    Well, I think I’m getting sleepy now. It’s 3:05 am and I have classes to teach tomorrow night. I haven’t worked on anything creative for a while. I’ve just been reading a lot (to try to find myself), sitting in the sun in my backyard, and trying to get myself back to “normal” (less sensitive). I hope to be able to find a way to achieve my goals feeling comfortable in my own skin, sensitivity and all. But it sometimes feels like I have to take time out to push back, maybe even repress my sensitivity so I can get back to taking care of business.

    Thanks for posting your articles. They helped me feel right. Well, good night. I’m going to read some more articles before I go to bed, and finish watching the movie “Fur: An Imaginary Portrait of Diane Arbus.

    • craigweiler
      March 18, 2009

      That is a wonderful comment and I am grateful to receive it. When I read comments from other men who are psychic I feel a little less alone in the world. I feel a kinship because similarities are so eerie. The dislike of medicines and disappointment with health professionals, the lack of focus on a single career, the various creative sidelines the challenge of getting to sleep, etc. The sharing means a lot to me. Thank you.

  4. JJ
    April 3, 2009

    Actually, thank you for allowing me the space to get this off my chest.
    Well, I’m back, and it’s another late night, 1:58 am. I’m actually sleepy now, but for the last few days I have felt another fight with the sensitiveness. I was doing a great job balancing it with working on creating songs, but today I think I fell off the wagon.

    I feel overwhelmed with trying to be in a creative mode and a day to day, feet on the ground mode. Sometimes I think that I need to get away to some place like Spain or somewhere where I can be in peace around nature surrounded by tall leafy trees, green grass, and soothing brooks. I miss that so much.

    What was helping me the last few days was that I would go outside, in my backyard, and sit in the sun breathing in the cool air. I didn’t do that today. Perhaps it was because my elderly neighbor’s house was ransacked while one of them was taken to the hospital with what was believed to be a heart attack (he’s better now). I was very upset about that and had a hard time sleeping. They are like family to me. My dreams were bizarre, almost like I was living another life.

    Well sometimes I think that ever since I began to explore my creative side, my sensitivity has gotten worst, I sometimes just break out crying over things like when I see people crying on the Lisa Williams show. I usually don’t let anyone see of course, well, my roommate/best friend sometimes can sense me tearing up, but she respects my sensitive side (This may be why most of my friends are women). Also, I think she is also very sensitive, except in a different way. She actually sees “things”. She doesn’t tell that much about them as she used too. She might have picked up the vibe that that disturbs me, but I hope not, she really is very supportive of me. She knows me deeper than I care for anyone else to know. It almost irks me that she knows so much. Most people know me as the “logical” one. The “responsible” one, or the “leader”. I do have those sides to me, but I feel that the other side of me has been coming in too strong. I worry that I may lose the respect of my friends and family, or even worse, that they’ll start to worry about me. Often when I just take time to be on my own without contacting anyone, they, my friends and family, start to communicate with me too see if everything is OK. I had to finally tell some of them that this is just who I am. I need one on one time with myself to re-connect. They get it most of the time, but my parents worry because they’ve seen me at my worst. My mom just said that it was witchcraft that was bringing me down a few years ago. I don’t think I believe that. I tend to seek empirical evidence to explain things as best as possible, even the supernatural things.

    Well I just can’t shake the feeling that I need to disappear for a while so that I can get my full strength back. Do you ever experience this? Well I’m gonna continue with my current creative projects and my daily grind. I also feel that I just have to tough it out for a little bit longer, and then I’ll be able to break through this barrier. Is it possible that this is difficult to do because I avoided or repressed my sensitivity a few years ago? Well one thing that I have going for me is that I am a hard worker. I’m gonna try to learn how to balance my yin and yang. Good night. Hope all is well with you and yours. And thanks for having this space for me to share my words.

    • craigweiler
      April 4, 2009

      Hi JJ,
      Sorry I’ve taken so long to reply, it’s just been a bit hectic around here. I know what you’re talking about with the sensitivity. I’ve gone through that myself. We tend to hold it at bay because to do otherwise would mean a loss of control. If you’ve repressed your sensitivity, as so many of us have, then yes, it makes things harder. I also find it easier to relate to women than to men.

      About your friends seeing the sensitive side of you I have this to say based on my personal experiences: they probably already know. As I’ve worked at allowing myself to be more sensitive, no one who knew me well was at all surprised. What I thought that I was hiding I was really wearing on my sleeve.

      Good luck to you on this. It is not an easy journey and my heart goes out to you.
      Yours,
      Craig

  5. T
    May 13, 2009

    I would like to tell you that I have been psychic ever since I was little. It grew to the point when I got mad enough things would physically happen. As I read the information on this website it like you were writing about me. After my brother was murdered the depression and stress went deeper. I had to seek help. The doctor put me on medicine for the depression. I have had my doctor change my medicine several times. I finally found one that seems to work well for the depression. However, it tends to keep a cap on my psychic ability and the sensitivity. Now only the very, very strong feeling come through to me. I would love to control my ability without the medicine. Can you recommend any help? I also feel I have passed this gift to my 2 children.

    • craigweiler
      May 13, 2009

      Most other psychic people that I know of who have used the happy-drugs did not get much relief from them. Several just flushed them down the toilet after the first pill and never looked back. I didn’t use drugs for those times when I had depression either. Bear in mind that the advice I’m about to give you is peer counseling. I’m not a professional psychologist. So here goes: Using drugs for your depression is a double edged sword, as you know. They relieve stress by turning down the sensitivity, but that sensitivity is what makes you feel alive and is what will eventually get you out of the depression.

      So the drugs are only really going to help if your sensitivity is constantly on overload. For example, if you’re around a lot of people and they’re stressed all the time. An example of that would be a normal office job. In that case, the drugs will give you the break you need to recover. If that’s not the problem though, the drugs probably aren’t going to do you much good.

      There are a number of things that can help get you out of depression. Take your kids and walk in nature as much as possible. Long walks are better and the more natural the place, the better. If you can work up a sweat, so much the better. The combination of breathing deeply, working the muscles and the energy of all those living things is really helpful. it helps quiet the noise down in your head.

      The other thing is to hang around this blog and read more of my stuff. The reason I’m suggesting this is that I’m writing specifically to give other psychic people a better context in which to view themselves. We are not crazy, science is on our side, reality is on our side, the people that are most negative towards us are full of shit and stuff like that. Most of all we don’t have to do this alone. We can all connect with each other.

      I have a friend who has stuff happen around her when she’s angry as well. That seems to be more common in women, who are more likely to suppress their anger only to have it expressed as stuff flying off bookshelves. You clearly feel frustrated and trapped, so make it a point to do stuff for yourself. Many happy psychic people have more than one creative activity that they pursue for their enjoyment, so you might try that.

      That’s about all I can think of for now, let me know how it goes for you.
      Yours,
      Craig

  6. Jimmy
    July 20, 2009

    I’ve read a couple blogs on this site, and for some reason I completely relate on every aspect of a psychic. Really it amazes me that you’ve pointed out every personality trait that I have.

    Although, I have never had an ”experience”…

    Does this make me a psychic and I dont know it? Or do I just relate with everything you say for some other reason?

    I’m in search of understanding myself, because I know I’m different.

    Thanks in advance,
    Jimmy

    • craigweiler
      July 20, 2009

      Hi Jimmy,
      According to the research, everyone is at least a little bit psychic, so it is a matter of degree. If you can really relate to this stuff that much, then according to what I understand, you must be quite psychic. It isn’t so much reading minds and seeing ghosts as it is a way of perceiving the world. It is hard to know without a lot of effort because you have no way of knowing how other people actually perceive things. It took me a long time to understand that what I was experiencing really was different. In a way, this blog is my way of coming out and owning it. Stay in touch if you like. craig@weiler.com
      Best,
      Craig

  7. Joshua Jameson
    October 31, 2009

    I too am currently learning to channel the abilities that set me apart from society, I suppose the reason I have never quite fit in. I am also dealing with my own bout of depression so when I came across this article ‘psychics and depression’ you can see why it caught my attention. It’s not a lot of help but it’s comforting to know that I’m not the only one who’s different. When I read over your description of your childhood, you might as well have been talking about me. I remember describing to my friend last year that I feel like I would make a good actor because I spend most of my life acting anyway. He took that as me admitting to be a fake person and I guess in a way I am but people just treat me better if I act like I’m like them. I hear that people with psychic abilities usually develop them as children or have a near death experience but I am 23 and I’ve only ever noticed that I could tap into the energy field that is everything for the past couple years, although I was knocked unconscious earlier this year for about ten minutes during which in my non expert opinion I was very close to death and that certainly didn’t hurt my abilities any. In my study’s so far I’ve determined that having psychic abilities isn’t as much about have any actual power yourself as tapping into and manipulating the energy field that exists all around us. Also I’ve come to the conclusion that premonitions sometimes don’t have to happen. I’m sure that many people out there with the ability to foretell future events have asked themselves the question “What the heck is the point of predicting the future if I’m powerless to change it?”. It took me the better part of a year to figure out if my premonitions were doomed to come true or if I could somehow alter reality in such a way that the premonition can’t come true. My findings are as follows; The planet is a giant interconnected web of energies that are all in careful balance with each other. Sadly, you are just a tiny tiny part of that balance and sometimes your wants and needs are insignificant when compared to the wants, needs, and balance of energy for the entire planet. That said, I have found that sometimes, (especially true when the premonitions are of your own future) it is possible to take action and arrange things so that the premonition cannot possibly come true. Premonitions are sometimes a view of what will happen but only if you continue on exactly as you would have before you had the vision. Keep in mind that if you leave even the tiniest hole or gap for the premonition to still come true there’s a higher than coincidental chance that it will still happen. In fact it’s entirely possible that in trying to avoid a disaster you will help it to happen. Fate has a sense of humor like that. The more I practice the stronger my powers get I am currently able to guide objects (especially lighter ones) that are already moving in whichever direction I please using my thoughts but I’m still working on making the transition to completely stationary objects. I hear that John Lennon was able to move a hard candy across a table by the end of his life. I have a feeling that a lot of the “outlandish” ideas I’ve portrayed here will become a part of mainstream science in the distant future. At one time we thought the world was flat, are we so ignorant as to think we know it all now? If anyone is conducting similar experiments or has reached any of the same conclusions as me and would like compare notes reply to this post. Again I thank you it slightly lifts the burden to know I’m not unique.

    • craigweiler
      November 1, 2009

      Hi Joshua,
      I know my article doesn’t help alleviate depression much. I just wanted to talk about it and get it in the open.

      Regarding your theory of energy in the universe, people are indeed working along that path and studies have been done in this area. I suggest that you read a bit about quantum physics. You’ll find it quite helpful. For instance, the idea of fate is deterministic. That is, the future will unfold a certain way and we have no choice. But quantum physics tell us that the universe is probabilistic. That is to say, the future exists as a set of probabilities which collapse into more narrow choices until finally one arrives.

      The energy you’re talking about is consciousness, which also shows up in quantum physics.

      In other words, you’re on the right track.
      Yours,
      Craig

      • Joshua Jameson
        November 1, 2009

        Yeah I had a chance to read a lot more on the subject and I definitely can’t present these ideas as my own although I swear I came to these conclusions using trial and error and odds against chance. I started studying quantum physics after watching “The Secret” but they describe it as sort of a magical power and I suspect the truth is more scientific than that. Also I used the word fate for lack of a better one. Thanks again =).

  8. MaryAnn Fry
    May 19, 2012

    Thank you. I’m glad I finally figured it out, but it was very painful until I did.

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